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Finally as John Scalzi runs for president of the Sci Fi & Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA), one of the things that has come up (among many many many topics) at his site is the state of YA science fiction. I waded very carefully into these waters last night letting folks know that as a YA reviewer wtih access to dozens of publisher catalogs (both big and small) every year, I don't see a lot of YA Sci Fi - in fact I see hardly any at all. There was a question of supply vs demand at Scalzi's - are the books not there because YA readers won't read them in other words and some folks lamenting that kids don't read Asimov or Dick or any of the greats. I think it's more of a supply issue and while I immediately thought of Life As We Knew it and Siberia, I went looking to see what other SF titles I've reviewed (or will review) and what I found was interesting.

Here's what I found at the publisher sites:

Life As We Knew It (Harcourt): about a meteor knocking the moon out of regular orbit and the subsequent planetary catastrophe. Listed as Juvenile Fiction-Social Situations/Emotions/Feelings. There are five subject listings for this book, and it is only in the last one that Science Fiction/Fantasy/Magic is listed.

Tanglewreck
(Bloomsbury): An alternate earth story where time twisters plague the planet and force the heroine on an interplanetary journey to save the world and get time back in sync (among many other things). Described as "A sophisticated gothic tale of a society where time is bought and sold." No mention of science fiction at all by publisher.

The Death Collector (Bloomsbury): In Victorian London someone is reanimating the dead for nefarious purposes. Here's the description: "Recalling the classic horror of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein and the gothic chills of Caleb Carr’s The Alienist, Justin Richard’s novel is a historic thrill ride that will keep readers on the edge of their seats until the very last page." Even name dropping Shelley doesn't get this one Sci Fi status, it is mystery/thriller all the way.

London Calling
(Knopf): A young boy finds that his grandmother's radio allows him to travel back through time to WWII era London where he witnesses an injustice and must set things right in the present. Described as juvenile fiction-family, jf-social situations - death and dying, jv- boys and men. No SF even though time travel is key to the story.

Larklight (Bloomsbury): Two children travel through space in a large Victorian house with their father; many adventures ensue. Described as "A rousing tale of intrepid pluck in the farthest reaches of space" and "An adventure as big as the universe!" All adventure, no Sci Fi.

Journey to the Blue Moon
(Candlwick): Our young hero goes in search of his lost pocketwatch (and the subsequent loss of time he has suffered without it) on a rickety rocket ship ride into space and "the blue moon" where all lost things from Earth are found. Description: "Time gets out of hand in a witty, suspenseful new fantasy..." So even with a rocket ship ride, you aren't talking Sci Fi.

Siberia (RH): In an alternate future young Sloe and her mother struggle to preserve and protect the DNA strands for every wild creature the planet has ever known. Eventually Sloe is separated from her mother (who taught science), sent to a prison school and breaks out to find the strands and get them to a safe place. (I loved this book!) It's listed as juvenile fiction by RH - no mention of Sci Fi at all.

Secret Under My Skin
(Harper Collins): In the future after a technocaust, "Master storyteller Janet McNaughton vividly imagines an all-too-believable future where one child's brave search for the truth could restore a broken world." This is about as Sci Fi as it gets - not listed as Sci Fi, but the fact that it is listed as taking place in 2368 might be all the clue the publisher wants to give.

Aquanauts
(Tundra): On an undersea adventure a group of kids find themselves battling scientists across hundreds of years of a time travel chase. This is the first one to list Sci Fi at all - it actually lists juvenile fiction - science & technlogy as the first category, and sci fi /fantasy/magic second.

It is entirely possible that some publishers just don't want to categorize books on their web sites - or in the descriptiosn they provide. And as I said above, some are obviously SF as they take place in the future or involve time travel, etc. But the fact that publishers don't list these books as Science Fiction from the beginning - don't tout them as "Sci Fi Horror" or "Sci Fi Adventure" or even "A science fiction novel designed to make readers think about today", well all of that makes me wonder if maybe publishers just don't think there is a market for books labeled as Young Adult Science Fiction. If it's time travel, isn't it Sci Fi? How can we put everything Ray Bradbury has ever written fiction-wise in Sci Fi, but not London Calling?

And we could argue forever (please, let's not) as to whether or not Frankenstein is science fiction, but isn't a book published today whose storyline hinges on reanimation of the dead using science a definite science fiction tale? And isn't alternate history science fiction by definition? (I might be wrong here - correct me if that's the case.)

I look constantly for YA Sci Fi (separate from YA Fantasy) because my brother and I were all over those books when we were teenagers. I just can't believe that teenagers who love Star Wars movies and "Men in Black" and "Independence Day" and on and on ("Battlestar Galactica", "X-Files", etc.) would resist reading SF. So are publishers responding to a perceived lower demand or are they repackaging Sci Fi as other genres on their own?

You tell me - what do you think has happened to YA Sci Fi?

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Barry Goldblatt

Unfortunately, "science fiction" is still basicaly a curse word in YA publishing. While fantasy has overcome the geek/nerd association, science fiction is still firmly saddled with it. There are plenty of books being published that are clearly science fiction (Westerfeld's Uglies trilogy, Reeve's Mortal Engines series, I'd even argue for Oppel's Airborn being SF), but rarely if ever will the words "science fiction" be used in any of the publishers' literature. Come to think of it, I don't even think M.T. Anderson's Feed was called SF by the publisher, and that's a no brainer.

One day, hopefully soon, a science fiction novel will break out, and perhaps that will finally remove some of the stigma.

When I was a kid, back in the Dark Ages, I got my SF fix from books in the adult section - primarily Arthur C. Clarke - and I suspect many YAs today do as well.

The genre I find a dearth of in YA is mysteries, in particular humorous mysteries.

Your right on Barry - Westerfield is usually considered gothic or a thriller and Reeve is usually tagged as adventure. It almost seems like a labeling issue which is just so lame I can hardly stand it.

And yes Lauren, I have also noticed a lack of mysteries for YAs - they are there for middle grade in huge numbers but then drop off in a major way. I do agree that teens can find SF in the adult section but I don't think they should have to - and if it's just fear that is keeping the publishers from releasing more SF titles then that is so so wrong!!!!

I swear on your blog, right now, that one day I will write a YA Sci Fi book.

Because I really, really, really want to.

After reading Connie Willis' novella D.A. I really feel the same way Cecil. I mean if SF geek girls like us (go Logan's Run!) aren't writing SF, then how can we complain about it not being out there?

Well, I AM writing one, and have been for nearly two years - CORVUS, about teens being exploited by having their minds uploaded into computers on the pretext of juvenile offender rehabilitation. The novel is set in a slightly alternate future. Whether I will simply serialise it online or try to publish it conventionally remains to be seen. I'm very torn about the whole issue...

Way to go Lee and thanks for letting us know about it - sounds like a very cool idea (with some Big Brother type overtones).

Either way it comes out, I look forward to it.

I love sci-fi. The fact that a lot of stores have sci-fi/fantasy as one section seems to please as many customers as it annoys. (I've actually been asked, "Don't you have a section JUST for fantasy?" "JUST for vampires?" "JUST for aliens?")


Meanwhile, the Teen Fiction section encompasses everything, so a sci-fi book ends up between a romantic comedy and a heavy drama. This too works for some - those who read all over the map, those who want to browse big-time, those who like seeing everything at once - and frustrates others - "All I can find are mushy dating books!" "All I see are Harry Potter rip-offs!" and I tell them to look again, to dive deeper. :)

So many books have elements of both genres. I see a distinction between the terms - sci-fi = more technical, hello, yummy science! while fantasy = more magical - but if we started splitting the section, there would be too many subsections (medieval! elves! princesses! dragons! spaceships! robots! unicorns!) and too many books that end up in more than one section (a medieval robotic psychic dragon from the future that arrives in a spaceship!)


I love urban fantasy, horror, tech-based it-could-happen sci-fi or utopian fiction. Two great examples: Christopher Golden and Scott Westerfeld.

Well, here's another problem. Explicitly calling something "YA" also has its challenges for a lot of smaller publishers (like, oh well, us...). The price points are so much lower that we can't afford to do $15-$16 hardcovers, and the official YA review organs don't pay attention to Trade Paper Originals (which also are so downpriced at $7-$8...) So when we did Nick Mamatas's UNDER MY ROOF, which is basically YA SF, we acknowledged it as SF but not as YA!) And I suspect this could be true for others as well...folks comfortable with using SF as a definition could be nervous about using YA...

I see your point Richard, and I think that is what Subterranean Press does as well - no distinction between what would be YA or adult for a larger publisher. I do think the smaller publishers should think about YA reviewers online though; I'm sure many many members of the kidlit blogosphere (of which Little Willow is one of them!) would review a book like Nick's strictly as YA and give you some good exposure that way. (And many of them are librarians or YA booksellers which would clearly help a lot.)

Little Willow: I do know what you mean - everything gets mashed up in YA. Vampires (ala Buffy) would be horror for sure, aliens would be SF. Future action is SF, magical stuff is fantasy. And yes, some books do bleed over through all the categories and that makes it hard. I just see fewer books with SF elements than others and that is what has gotten me wondering.

I just want to cross-publish and cross-reference everything. ;-)

Another distinction, I think, is that sci-fi seems to have some control and physical it-could-happen creation - someone MADE that spaceship, that cool device, that barcode on the wrist or neck, something - while fantasy is more magic - fairies, unicorns, imaginary creatures superpowers attained randomly/unknowningly/because you are half-fey/werewolf/vampire or family-related-etc, as opposed to "I was bitten by a radioactive spider," which I see as sci-fi.

(Please note: Topher Grace is cooler than Tobey Maguire.)

Yeah - I always saw Spiderman as SF because of that - and Superman seems to be SF for the same reason (very well thought out history of being born on another planet - same goes for Martian Manhunter, etc.)

I don't know what the heck you do with Aquaman though. (Is Atlantis considered fantasy or SF? Now there's a question to ponder for ages.....)

I just heard about a couple more titles - one involving a spaceship being built in an old Sears store.

How can I not be intrigued by that???

You'll find reviews of a lot of YA sf at the Inter-galactic Playground.

http://www.farah-sf.blogspot.com

I haven't been able to update in a while, but the book on YA sf should be out next year. For now, the following are my favourite:

Julie Bertagna
Oisin McGann
Conor Kostik
Rhiannon Lassister

Where I live (Scandinavia), I'm writing a series of young-adult science fiction novels for Swedish publisher Wela.

I've also been looking for a British or American publisher for years.


Fascinating post. From where I sit, YA publishers just aren't biting on hard Sci Fi, and the Sci Fi that does get picked up gets dressed up in softer palettes. I think a big part of it is the assumption, true or not, that YA girls don't pick up hard Sci Fi.

My own series could be most accurately labeled "science fantasy," but the "science" part rides in the back seat when it comes to promoting the series.

I wholeheartedly agree Chris - I see very little hard SF for girls (even less than for boys) but as for romance and coming-of-age...I'm hip deep in that.

Here's hoping weare due for a change!

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