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Photojournalist Maisie Crow's award winning pictures of seventeen-year old "Autumn" gave me serious pause when I first saw them and prompted this next round of discussion. After five years of reviewing teen fiction I have noticed that while many of us grew up reading books that highlighted the protagonist's socioeconomic background, contemporary fiction often seems to place teens in an artificial world where parents work for unnamed people at unnamed jobs yet receive either masses of money, or conversely can't get jobs at all. The great swath of the American public however have actual jobs - blue collar or white collar they simply go to work to get a paycheck. In teen literature this is often not part of the equation and it left me wondering what that means to so many kids who can not ignore the money or how they live because of it.

Autumn is, as Crow explains, a victim of generational poverty. A separate discussion could be held on what this means to someone (and several of the writers here touch on it) but mostly she seems immobilized and completely incapable of improving her life. Books can not give you freedom, or a big bank account, but they can light a pathway and for kids like Autumn, I wonder if we are doing enough. By not writing about someone in Autumn's situation, by not making money part of the story are we ignoring her yet again, along with everyone else in or near her situation?

I should point out two favorite books of mine, Story of a Girl by Sara Zarr and Season of Ice by Diane Les Becquets, are both ostensibly about other things but show what it is like for a family to be hanging on by their financial fingertips - not poor but barely middle class. In both case these authors do an excellent job of keeping the story grounded in a firm layer of realism that is to be lauded and much appreciated.

Now here are the questions - I gave the group multiple things to think about on this general issue and their choice in what way they wish to tackle it. Do you think historic MG & YA fiction addresses socioeconomic status more effectively than contemporary titles? How important do you think it is for readers to identify with protagonists of their own socioeconomic background? Do you need to read about people with the same financial struggles you have or in times of trouble is it better just to live vicariously? Are realistic titles of this type just too much of a downer? If the book is about fitting in or teen love or friendship, does it help or hinder to drop those details into the plot? Is socioeconomic fantasy just a new kind of fantasy - as out of this world as vamps and wizards and just as much fun? Are we in literary denial or just willfully trying to conjure a more carefree world?

Jenny Davidson: "I do think socioeconomic fantasy is just another form of wish-fulfillment fiction - personally I would rather read about, say, being able to fly or have magical powers than have an infinity of shoes and handbags and allure, but perhaps that is just me! The Gossip Girl books (I have only read one, but I liked it quite a bit) are deeply fantasizing, in serious ways as well as trivial ones, and even if we don't like the extremely expensive-material-thing-oriented emphasis, I don't know that readers are mostly taking this as anything other than the stuff-of-imagination it is. So, for instance, reading about those girls on the Upper East Side might have some of the same appeal as reading the descriptions of food in Laura Ingalls Wilder's Farmer Boy!

To offer a more serious response, though, yes: I relish the good descriptions I find in contemporary YA fiction of life in situations of material scarcity, and though I would hesitate to mandate (even casually!) what people should be writing, I am sure that these books should be put in the hands of teenaged readers. Michelle Embree's Manstealing for Fat Girls is a good example - a very persuasively created everyone's-sorta-broke white lower-middle-class milieu, and wonderfully appealing and interesting characters. Holly Black's teenagers living in the human world adjacent to faerie are not well-off or materially comfortable, and this is part of the appeal of those books for me. So many of us did worry about how the rent was going to be paid when we were growing up, it certainly seems to me this should feature in books - it is very artificial to imply by exclusion that young people are not worried about how, as it were, the IMPORTANT things in their lives will be paid for (the groceries, the utility bill, the rent) as well as the things like iPhones and cashmere sweaters!

Some of my favorite books when I was a teenager were Cynthia Voigt's books about Dicey Tillerman and family. I always remember the scene in one of the later books where a curious outsider asks why, if the Tillermans are so broke, they are eating butter instead of margarine - one of the kids explains that though powdered milk isn't as good-tasting as regular milk, it's much cheaper and that's why they drink it, but that cheap margarine just isn't as good as butter - it's not a place to economize if you care about food. Details like this are so telling, so vivid, and obviously novels are one of the ways that we get a sense of lives other than our own..."

Zetta Elliott: "Since I read so many novels by Dickens when I was growing up, I had a somewhat romanticized view of poverty; deprivation was terrible and often led to degradation, but inherent moral worth would triumph and be rewarded in the end. I guess I bought into the idea of “the deserving poor,” and my working class family certainly clung to their Christian, middle-class values: there was no shame in being poor so long as you were clean, courteous, and industrious. Yet I knew from my experiences in high school that being smarter, faster, prettier, or nicer would not necessarily win you the gold medal. By the time I reached graduate school I realized this was “the myth of meritocracy,” and I was then able to theorize my previous experiences.

I just read Sherman Alexie’s The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian and thought he brilliantly exposed the anxiety and ambivalence of being a poor child with aspirations that take you outside your racial, cultural, and class community. I could certainly identify with Junior’s attempts to keep up with the white Joneses, and his constant fear that his white middle-class peers would discover he was poor and, therefore, somehow lesser than them—unclean, immoral, unworthy. In black urban literature there tends to be an emphasis on the way poverty shapes and/or limits a character’s choices; this is real, but I do sometimes worry that white middle-class readers are drawn to such books out of a perverse desire to be voyeurs—impoverished urban blacks are “exotic,” and the dysfunction of their world leads to titillation rather than sympathy or understanding. It seems the only way class can effectively be critiqued (or even noticed) is if the author makes a point of mixing class backgrounds in her book, which I always try to do."

Melissa Wyatt: "Well, socioeconomic class isn't something we discuss much in the real world, not in this country, anyway. We like to believe that class does not exist in America. Early on, we prided ourselves on that fact, as it was something that set us apart from the country that had dominated us. But today, I don't think we like to admit to class issues because it goes against the American Dream. We're supposed to strive to be upwardly mobile. Many of our heroes are financial giants, from Rockefeller to Bill Gates.

But the hard truth is that that dream isn't for everyone. We can't all be rich. Some of us have to be the worker bees. And that's an uncomfortable thought. Few Americans like to think "No. It's not going to be me." Do we need to keep the dream of wealth alive even in what we read? Maybe.

So sure there's a fantasy aspect to stories about the rich. But it has another side to it. It's comforting to read and believe that even rich people have their problems. Money doesn't buy you complete happiness. A broken heart hurts just as much, decked in designer duds.

But there's another issue with class and money that is, I think, specific to YA lit, and it's one I encountered when I was looking for a publisher for my book, Funny How Things Change. The book is about a lower class boy who is--if not happy about not having much money--at least prepared to be content. He doesn't go to college. He resists the idea of leaving his economically depressed town. A number of editors had serious problems with these aspects of the book because they did not fit into their ideas of what a YA novel should do, to provide a proper aspirational model. A story about a teen not interested in altering his economic and social status was considered a story not worth telling.

Not that I think we need to swing in the opposite direction and preach acceptance and resignation, but to recognize that we don't all want the same things or the same lifestyles is important and doesn't automatically make one person less worthy than someone with different ideas. I do think financial struggles are much more of a downer than things like teen pregnancy or suicide. They don't have the dramatic impact, for one. Those other issues are read vicariously and are easier to distance yourself from when they haven't actually touched your life, while not having money for the things you want or actually need is a very real problem that is often hanging right over teens as they think toward the future and college and supporting themselves. Money becomes a very real, very personal problem. But, as Tracy Lord put it, lack of wherewithal doesn't always equal unhappiness. And that is something you don't often see reflected in YA lit."

Laurel Snyder: "Oh, to lose LIMES!

No disrespect to Alcott (love her!) but if you update the March family, they do not become the working poor. They become a wealthy educated family fallen on hard times. Oddly enough, that's the topic of the book I'll have out next fall, and I have to say that writing about rich people who have to get rid of their house staff is NOT quite the same as tackling systemic class issues.

When I think about this issue, I think of two amazing sets of books-- Lenski's regional novels, and Cynthia Voight's Tillerman Trilogy. Both were sets of books that helped shape me as a political thinker. Both sets of books taught me something about equality. That art and poetry and love and ethical behavior and emotional intelligence don't belong to the educated.

But THAT-- education--is the trick to this question, for me. As writers, we tend to be educated. As self-aware thinking people, we (many of us) feel we'd be misappropriating if we borrowed the pain of another culture or class. I can write (as the child of a downwardly-mobile socialist) about a big ugly public school (I went to one) or about a pervert masturbating on a city bus (seen that plenty). I can address divorce and being a latchkey kid. But on some level, that's as far as I'm willing to go. My parents went to college. I don't feel like I can attempt to capture the cycle of poverty poor, or the plight of the homeless.

With the distance of history, I can attempt it, maybe, because I'm not stealing from the living. As a Jew I can write the tale of family in the Pale, awaiting the next pogrom. Because it's part of my ancestry. And there's nobody else left to tell it. But I'm afraid I'd begin with assumptions and a blunt instrument if I tried to write in the voice of my neighbors here in Atlanta (I live in a rough area). And in fearing to fail, I'm afraid to try.

Which is not something I'm defending. I think we NEED books about people who really struggle. Fantasy is fun, but it doesn't teach us much about how to be good humans. It doesn't help kids understand the social contract, or develop political identities. I'm just not sure how to write the books we need. Obviously we need a more equal educational system. So poor kids can grow up to write great books! Sigh..."

Sara Ryan: "When I think about how class is and is not featured in YA, I think a lot about the Unmarked State.

Nisi Shawl, co-author of Writing the Other, defines the unmarked state this way: "Possessing characteristics which are seen as “normal,” and thus not worth being mentioned. In this society, at this time, this includes being white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, affluent, and with certain physical abilities. Just about everyone deviates from the unmarked state in one way or another, though some ways are deemed important and others are not."

When we don't, as writers, think hard about the socioeconomic status of our characters and how it affects their lives, we may as well be setting our books in the Unmarked State.

I was out earlier this evening with some women I was meeting socially for the first time. Some questions that came up over the course of the conversation: "Where do you live?" "Do you own or rent?" "How many square feet?" "Where do you work?" "Are you union?" These are all questions about class.

A character's ability or inability to buy a new phone or dress can be a crucial detail. I once read about a couple who fell in love across deep class divisions. She was extremely wealthy. He was working-class. She had a birthday coming up. Her family was going to throw her an extravagant party. He didn't think he'd be able to come, because of his work schedule. You see where this is going, right? As it turned out, he was at her party -- working, as a member of the catering staff.

You could tell a fantastic story from the point of view of either one of them. It comes down, as it always does, to representing the particular and specific in such a way that it resonates universally."

Loree Griffin Burns: "My instinct is to insist that writers—and readers—are somewhere between denial and willful sugarcoating of the poverty issue. Coming up with titles to illustrate this point, however, wasn’t easy for me. The relevant books from my childhood include Margaret Sydney’s The Five Little Peppers and How They Grew and Natalie Savage Carlson’s The Family Under the Bridge. My memory of these books puts them squarely in the sugarcoating category, I think: I finished them content with the idea that poverty wasn’t such a bad thing … it could be overcome with a bright attitude and a loving family. On the other end of the spectrum were the Nancy Drew books I devoured, books that would, I suppose, qualify as the ‘willful conjuring of a carefree world’, albeit 1960s style.

The book that fell in the middle for me—the book that changed everything—was S.E. Hinton’s The Outsiders. It rocked my middle class world, made me think about who I was and where I fit into a society divided into socs and greasers. At the same time I acknowledged Hinton’s idea that people are really the same, that socs hurt just as much as greasers do, I wondered if I could ever really be friends with a Ponyboy Curtis, or if he would ever be friends with someone like me. This book made me think hard about issues I hadn’t thought about before. Maybe there aren’t a lot of books in the middle ground between sugarcoating and economic fantasy, but the brave writers who go there have the power to change the way readers think.

Thinking about this question from the nonfiction point of view, I was hard pressed to come up with trade titles that address issues of contemporary American socioeconomics. I am excited to read Albert Marrin’s Years of Dust, just out from Dutton and sitting on my desk as I type. And I can think of other books that explore class issues in American history (Susan Campbell Bartoletti’s Growing Up in Coal Country, for example), but what recent works of nonfiction for young people explore socioeconomic issues in contemporary American society? I don’t know. They must be out there. Mustn’t they? What are they? I hope you all have some recommendations."

Kekla Magoon: "I see a couple of issues here: one is class, and the other is economic hardship. They're not quite the same thing, in my mind. The Marches in Little Women are an upperclass family in economic hardship, while Jacqueline Woodson's Miracle's Boys are a family living in poverty, for whom economic hardship is the status quo. I'm not sure we deal well enough with either thing in teen lit, but we definitely try harder at portraying the latter.

I dealt with class issues in my historical novel, and quite a few readers have commented on the fact that we don't see a lot of teen books incorporating class crossover--either all the characters are wealthy, all are middle/working class, or all are living in poverty. I don't think there's a difference between historical and contemporary on this front. I suspect it's because the real world often works this way, and authors tend to write what they know. If a middle/upper middle class author tries to write a homeless teen, or a teen living in the projects, the narrative will most likely be skewed from reality, perhaps colored by prejudice and/or pity. I absolutely support authors who write outside their experience, and it's important to show socioeconomic diversity in MG & YA fiction, but so often we do it through the lens of our own social class, because some of the the inherent experiences and values we internalized as children cannot easily be overcome. My point is that YA authors who get published tend to be middle class and up, for reasons of access, and the same is true of the majority of publishing industry professionals. So, we have a preponderance of literature that reflects that background. We need to keep opening access to the industry for writers from different social classes. It's a blanket generalization, of course, but I've observed that young readers in middle class environments get more support for time spent with literature. If a school can barely afford books, how are they going to keep a librarian on staff, or bring writers in for school visits, so that youth can see a different kind of professional role model? How are they going to learn that creativity is an option for them? I've stood in rooms with students whose eyes widen upon realizing that someone who looks like me (class notwithstanding) can write a book. But I digress.

Economic hardship is a complicated animal, too. For 99% of folks, carefree wealth is a total fantasy, and there's nothing at all wrong with exploring and embracing that in fiction. Yes, it's an escape, or a part of the so-called American dream. It only becomes problematic when teens stop treating it as fantasy, and start trying to live up to it, which often times ends in despair. So it's also of value to show the real, grittier side of all that glamor: what happens when you don't have the money. All of us who write contemporary, non-fantasy fiction need to make an effort to be aware of economic issues, and try to populate our books with a range of kids. Not that it has to come out in detail in every book, but these issues are always present in life, so why not in fiction? One friend's parents often make more than her best friend's (or simply manage their spending money differently), so Girl A can go to camp while her friend can't, or she can buy lunch while her friend brings a paper bag. Financial complications don't have to BE the story, but they shouldn't be ignored."

Beth Kephart: "I am reminded, by your question, of one of the earliest responses to my novel, Undercover, whose teen protagonist does not possess any brand-name clothes or, in fact, any material anything that would place her within the cooler social set. "You really should have given Elisa some fashion sense," my well-meaning friend said. "Today's kids," she continued, "will have a hard time relating to a girl who actually wears old trousers."

Some truly great, recently published YA fiction does take us into the less-advantaged socio-economic realms. Some of my favorites are, however, set in long-ago eras. There is Hannah Tinti's The Good Thief, which is a phenomenal, Dickens-like tale about an orphaned boy-thief (the book wasn't published for YA per se, but definitely embraces such readers). There is also, of course, the impoverished Nazi Germany of The Book Thief and the clear lack of means in The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time.

As for contemporary books in contemporary, realistic settings, there is nothing inherently depressing about reading of someone who is struggling financially. Darkness, depression, loneliness, and emptiness can invade the lives of the rich just as easily (perhaps more easily) as it can the lives of those who are not abundantly well off; conversely, joy, integrity, heroism and hope breaks through some of the toughest shells. Families are built of many things, character is shaped by circumstance, and it helps to see (I think it's essential to see) just where a character lives, just what sorts of constraints or opportunities she rubs against, and what she chooses to do
with it all. Choice, at the end of the day, is story."

Mayra Lazara Dole: "If you've lived through poverty, starvation or homelessness, or if you've seen children of all colors, without arms or legs begging with their tongue, living in squalor and eating from dumpsters, the Ohio photographs, although dreadful, might not register as "destitute." At first glance, you see that these poor folk with no hope have food, junk-food, cigarettes, homes, shoes, new clothes, and they *seem* healthy and well groomed. These people are victims of isolation and segregation which could create a vicious circle: emotional, physical and alcohol abuse. If they don’t have proper nutrition or education most won't grow/mature intellectually or emotionally which in turn will keep them from learning or using skills to better their lives, thus they stay dependent upon their abusers (teen girl is sitting between the legs of the adult who tried to rape her in one photo and her family accepts it as "normal" behavior).

In my perspective, it seems that generational poverty might be partly caused due to Isolation and segregation. If one comes from a segregated, depressed area where barely no one can "escape," then there’s no hope to aspire for a better life because you can’t leave unless you are gorgeous and can send pictures to Hugh Heffner and appear in Playboy (one of the options for poor, but beautiful girls). If no one in the community is considered successful, then there are no role models to help empower and no money to aide anyone to leave--as you can imagine, perhaps ways of making easy, fast money for poor girls blessed with beauty who try to make a better life for themselves is risky.

One of my ex Boston roommates “escaped” from a depressed area in Ohio near the folks in those photographs. When we visited her mom, she explained that most parents in this area chain-smoke, get drunk, and physically and sexually abuse their children. When we passed by the decrepit area filled with trailers and teens outdoors smoking and adults drinking, I noticed that there were barely any options for food stores or other stores, except Walmart. I saw poor folks spending grocery money on junk food, alcohol and cigarettes, instead of on nutritious food imperative for proper brain function and health. The cost of living was extremely low.

Some readers need to identify with protagonists of their own socioeconomic background and others prefer not to. Immigrants and exiles that read and live in large cities might prefer reading books that allow them to emulate upper classes. This can motivate them to aspire for wealth and inspires them to work hard to reach the American Dream.
I know there are many of us who'd love to read stories written by authors who've experienced poverty, as well as novels that entertain and have you living vicariously. Exposing how others live through authentic lit might change the lives of teens like Autumn for the better. Personally, in these harsh economic times, I think we need to write about all kinds of socioeconomic backgrounds because "para los gustos se hicieron los colores" / Colors were made because of our different tastes."

[Post pics of "Love Me" series by Maisie Crow - the entire series is a must see.]

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Another amazing post in the series--excellent work, Colleen and everyone. (The timing's really good for me, actually, as I go back to revise an earlier ms. and am realizing that there are some definite issues of socioeconomic differences between characters...which I'd forgotten about somehow as I went to work on something else).

In reading this post I kept thinking about Tyrell by Coe Booth, which I recently read--a book that I can see really having the ability to touch a lot of lives and bring hope while NOT sugarcoating the options available--because there are so many kids in situations where there aren't options available and there's a shortage of adults with the ability or knowledge to help them. After I read it I was left with the horrible but certain sense that Tyrell's situation isn't all that unusual, either. But I think that, rather than being titillating in its glimpse of the "other", books showing protagonists of different backgrounds are also critical to sparking change where it may be needed.

Also, though, I agreed with the idea that people are content in very different circumstances and don't necessarily want to change. It does seem as though it's less acceptable to portray that in YA fiction, as though there's a disbelief that someone wouldn't WANT to be richer/more educated/whatever or that our impressionable youth will suddenly decide to become lazy and unmotivated.

This year I read by book called Blood Brothers by S.A. Harazin. Its set in a small Georgia town. The MC, Clay works at the local hospital as a med tech for minimum wage. Clay does the jobs no one else wants to do.

All of Clay's peers are rich with cars. He's still riding a bike everywhere.

Blood Brothers is one of the few YA novels I remember reading in which the MC admits to struggling to keep up with his responsibilites and working hard for minimum wage.

This is great stuff, Colleen. Serious literary and life discourse.

Mitali Perkins wrote recently that she thought that younger kids and teens were more willing to read about people not like them, but that middle school kids are looking more for mirrors in what they read. Seems to me this suggests some wiggle room when writing YA, at least for older kids, and exposing them to people of different socioeconomic backgrounds.

Anyway, this is all fascinating. Will have to think some more on it - too drained now.

God, this hits me so hard in so many places that I can't even identify them all. I should be living in a run down flat somewhere, with a few kids, a few divorces behind me, some kind of substance abuse problem, and probably a belief that Sarah Palin is a great role model. When you grow up with fear of the stuff outside your door, you grab for whatever comfort there is, and people who feed that fear at least seem to be on your side because they seemingly recognize it. There's no long future ahead of you, just because you can't plan or strategize, so you just grab at stuff. And that kind of thing is what happened to my sisters. Men can be a way out of poverty, or a ticket into a deeper hole. If you don't have a lot of opportunities, you take what you can scrounge. And then of course some people will sneer at you for making choices that they'll never have to think about. (Says the soldier who's been called a baby killer and traitor by turns.)

There are so many things you experience viscerally as a poor person, that I just don't think a person who's never felt that gnawing fear of being turned out of one's house can ever imagine. It's for that reason that I just can't read wish fulfillment fantasy; I just can't. It's beyond my ability to indulge in. Thousands of dollars on...on...a piece of clothing? Do you know how many books I could get with that, for what that pair of Dior shoes cost?

Argh, it's late, or it's early, and I have to wait till sunup so I can sleep without fearing the endless war nightmares, because the way out for me was the Army, and while it got me health care it's also the reason I need it. So ironic. That's what I'm sticking to, at any rate, because some of the class issues I've been dealing with over the past year or so have been really, really ugly and they're coming from other women. Maybe knowing you're not special is a really really good thing.

This is fascinating.

I didn't grow up with money; my fresh out of high school parents had kids often and early, and we were quite broke. Our financial issues were exacerbated by the fact that my parents insisted on sending us to private Christian school -- or, my mother did, anyway. She wanted us to be educated, to be refined, to be upwardly mobile. Wanting more for your kids is expensive.

My father couldn't have cared less, which led to a feeling that we kids had of being resented. He clearly told us that if it weren't for us, he'd have money. But I digress. I remember the Dicey Tillerman story, I know from government cheese, and yet, as an African American writer, I find that the lower middle-class/poverty level character is almost an expectation in YA fiction. Time and time again, people have remarked on my books with Knopf that they find the characters "refreshing" because they are upper middle class and/or educated. I'm sure that eventually I'll write characters which more definitively reflect my own experience, but I just hate that "po' folks" is what I'm expected to do, and what it seems that African Americans are expected to reflect. It's that schizophrenia, that split surreality: either you're ghetto and poor and your mother does crack, or you're ghetto-blingin' and your brother sells it from his Rolls. That's the expectation of "urban fiction;" seems there's no room in many publisher's minds for anything else from African American writers.

Ugh. Excuse my rant, got a rejection today, so this topic is pushing buttons.

It's that schizophrenia, that split surreality: either you're ghetto and poor and your mother does crack, or you're ghetto-blingin' and your brother sells it from his Rolls.

Tanita, it's not only editors who expect this. Haven't you met people in school or social circles who held the same expectation? I have. When I went to college and worked in publishing, being black and from Detroit I must have escaped one or the other realities.

Truth was my mother was a supervisor with Ma Bell and my daddy worked in the plant. I had more clothes that should be allowed, own room, phone and oh, I did have to share a car with my sister when we were seniors.

Not to worry though, when I married while a freshman in college, I joined the ranks of the poor.

Like so many, I'd love to see more attention given to socio-economics in YA fiction. Can't remember at the moment who said it, but I agree we avoid talking about class in this country. But I think it is getting harder not to have the discussion. It certainly is unrealistic.

Both my parents grew up dirt poor but in Detroit, the Motor City, we achieved the middle class lifestyle and dreams- with a working class mentality. I tell you, this can screw up a kid. While I was not poor, it was clear when I attended high school my experiences and my family's outlook was different from my peers whose parents were real professionals, the real middle class.

As an adult, I came to feel as if I were this in-between person. I aspired to be educated, middle class and cultured but truth is I a lot of my thinking and lifestyle really reflects more with what I identify as working-class. Of course, put me in the middle of the hood, and I'm called different. I talk white. My kids at the agency fantasize what my life in the suburbs is like. You can't live in a suburb and have money problems, right?((sigh)) Anybody relate?

Anyway, really love this segment of the series. Like Ginmar this hits me in so many places, places I'd like to see addressed in literature because this is really how a lot of us live.

For me, there's also an escape or relief in living in a character's world that truly reflects my own. It lets me know we can love, thrive and be happy.

Colleen and contributors, thank you so much. This is one of those columns I going to reread a few times.

Since other folks have mentioned specific titles, I want to say that when I was writing my response, I kept thinking about Lynda Barry's Ernie Pook's Comeek, which I discovered when it was running in the local alt-weekly when I was a teen. It wasn't marketed as YA, but she nails so much about both childhood and adolescence, and her characters' economic circumstances are always significant in the stories.

What a wonderful post! And terrific responses to your questions, Colleen!

As a South Asian author, I harp on about class quite a bit. The prevailing belief, at least in the U.S., seems to be that South Asians are middle to upper-middle class and, therefore, always comfortable. This is rapidly changing as more and more immigrants join the ranks of the working class.

In Canada, Britain, the Caribbean, and other parts of the world, South Asians are definitely, and predominantly working class. So, being Canadian, myself, it was important to me to have a family that was "unconventional" (within the South Asian context) when I wrote SHINE, COCONUT MOON. A functional, loving, single-mom household is non-traditional and out-of-the-box not just in the perspective of the community, but in terms of YA South Asian literature and I wanted to present it as "normal" and as something that definitely impacts the life of the characters, but that is not the focus of my story.

In terms of your question, "Do you need to read about people with the same financial struggles you have or in times of trouble is it better just to live vicariously? Are realistic titles of this type just too much of a downer?" I have to say that I inhaled S.E. Hinton's novels when I was a teenager because they reflected my reality back to me. I was overjoyed and relieved to see a world where people like me not only existed, but were amazing and strong and respectfully, lovingly rendered. I would have flung myself off a tall building, I think, if I had to only see images and read books that had nothing to do with my reality, whatsoever.

However, at the same time, it's nice to have an escapist break every now and then. I'll admit that my escapes were always romance and fantasy novels rather than high-society, or wealthy teen novels, but I'm sure those would have done just as well to help get away from some of the daily crap.

I guess, for me, as an author, it's important to write the lives of teens and children who don't normally see themselves in literature or on television and film. It's especially important to make those depictions positive, and to write them as S.E. Hinton did: with respect and love. It's healing for me as a writer, and I know it was healing for me as a teen reader.

Thanks so much for a wonderful discussion!

-Neesha

This is easily my favorite series running, right now.

I only wish I had something more articulate to add to the discussion. Everyone has already said so much of how I feel.

I find that I almost automatically write my characters as middle or upper middle class and I believe it's because it's what I saw around me, growing up. Although I was equally exposed to working class through extended family, my own existence was solidly middle/upper.

Yet, when I wrote the Cinny character in my series who was from a single father, working class home the values of her home were no different than her friends from a two-parent, dual-income household. So, I'm not sure if that means I have an unconscious sense that under it all we're all the same or what.

Even now, as I'm writing a character from a single-mom family, the mom owns her own business but has five kids. Socio-economics is definitely part of the picture but not the point. Still, it's important that her socio-economic "genetics" comes through in how the MC lives/makes decisions.

What a wonderful topic and discussion. I started out writing historical novels for MG readers. Everything had to be researched. The economic and socio-political circumstances of the main character had to be decided upon--never assumed, blurred or dimly lit. Those circumstances would shape/illuminate/limit the story in all the obvious ways and in a multitude of subtle ones as well.

I am now writing mostly fantasy for both young readers and for YA. I was a little surprised to realize that the economic and socio-political circumstances still shape everything, if the created world is to be believed.

Thanks for so many excellent comments here, everyone. Specifically to Tanita and Susan - yes, one of the things I have noticed as a reviewer is that African American characters in particular seem to be gritty and poor and living in an urban setting all the time. This was part of why Charles R. Smith's "Chameleon" really stood out for me - the boys might be living in Compton but they were just boys and the neighborhoods were like any suburban neighborhood anywhere. It really bothered me that Smith's book has been overlooked so much as I think it does a lot to put some cracks in this odd publishing stereotype. (And Tanita I love your books so just putting them out there!)

On a personal note, one thing that bothered me as kid was that no books ever had parents (namely fathers) who worked shiftwork. My father worked second shirt (3-11) pretty much my whole childhood. He worked holidays for double time, etc. And yet fathers in literature, when their work is discussed, were always 9-5. I had no concept of that and I looked for it all the time. I have often thought that many other young readers would be looking for their parents working background as well, and then when I saw Maisie Crow's pictures I knew what our next topic would be.

I have often thought that many other young readers would be looking for their parents working background as well

Working background. Never heard that term before. Interesting.

In our neighborhood more than half the adults work a "non-traditional" shift. At any given time my husband and several others can be found home mid-day because they all leave for work around 4:30 a.m. Then another handful of us work from home several times a week. So far, this dynamic has not found its way into my fiction, but I've always found it fascinating.

I guess I wrote that because work was a central part of my family's lives. My father's work schedule dominated our living schedule - and the same was true for him growing up. My mother came from a military family where work was certainly life but in a different kind of way.

When my father passed away (very young - just one week past his 60th birthday)one of things both my brother and I emotionally reacted to when going through his house was his shoeshine kit. Every work day he shined his boots (steel toe as he worked with manhole covers). That image of him with the box opened beside him and the kit spread out is burned in my brain. It is him.

The shoeshine kit is on my desk.

Growing up my dad worked two jobs, hard. One full time one part time. He would work a lot of overtime.

Though when I read books growing up I never thought to look for dads who did shift work. I wasn't bothered by not seeing dad's who punched a clock for a living.

Did I think White parents didn't do shift work? No, living in NY it would be hard to believe such a thing. I simply figured the fiction I was reading was someone else's reality.

I was reading fiction without knowing it could reflect upon my life. That not knowing has to do with being Black and being exposed to mainly White protagonist. I think many young readers of color read without knowing reflection through literature is a possiblity.

I had a dad doing shift work (afternoons and nights; therefore, sleeping all day) in my last manuscript and was strongly encouraged (several times) to remove it.

My dad did shift work all his life, and that was all I knew dads to do. It makes sense that that would work its way into my fiction.

Doret, this: "I think many young readers of color read without knowing reflection through literature is a possiblity"
is SO. ON. POINT.

Living in the suburbs shift work was rather unusual - I didn't have any friends whose fathers worked like mine did.

My problem was finding kids with divorced parents in books who weren't scarred for life. In the 70s you didn't read too often about going to your father's house after school, or eating two Christmas dinners or that kind of thing.

It was like divorce never happened. Which maybe was the point.

Dorothy Allison said that she wrote Bastard Out of Carolina because she never read anything about her own kind of people, the working poor.

Colleen, have you read Random Family, by Adrian Nicole LeBlanc? It is AMAZING. Nonfiction. She worked on the book 10 years, and all but lived with the people whose lives she recorded. About a loose-knit family in the Bronx.

Neither of those books is YA or MG, but I think teens could read either one.

I have not read Random Family but I have read about it repeatedly and always been intrigued. I think I need to just pick it up at the library next week when I'm getting books with the boy!

Susan T., I've just started RANDOM FAMILY and you're right, it is amazing. I found out about it in a discussion about books you'd be interested in if you liked THE CORNER by David Simon and Ed Burns.

My comment was too verbose, so I posted it as a blog entry called Consumerism and the YA Novel. Colleen, I'd love to see you moderate a panel live on this topic.

Thanks Mitali - heading over to your site now.....

One thought I had is that there is probably an overwhelming majority of artists (writers etc) who come from the middle class or upper middle class because it requires some sense of leisure time. How many writers out there intimately understand a working class world?

Also, although some communities are integrated in terms of race these days, how many communities are integrated in terms of socioeconomic background? We live in segregated communities and don't even realize it--we are segregated by class. We're scared of people who aren't like us. Segregation these days is less about skin color (which is not to say racism doesn't still exist--it does) and more about class. A white kid from the upper middle class may feel perfectly comfortable with a black kid also from an upper middle class family--but put that white kid from the upper-middle class with a white kid from a working-class family, and there will be a clash of cultural values, expectations, and understandings of the world.

The interesting thing is that class can be more of a cultural shaping factor than race--or at least, just as important. As a writer who grew up in one of the poorest communities in the U.S.A. (a small community on the U.S.-Mexico Border), I've always felt like the world I grew up in is not represented in y.a. literature. It's one of the reasons why my first novel was set smack-dab in the middle of that world, the world of the border, which is definitely a world of poverty but also a world of people who are hard workers, people who keep moving on and trying to achieve the American Dream. The undocumented immigrants I grew up around don't feel sorry for themselves because of their situation. They just keep working hard to make a better life for themselves and their families. It's an interesting world but one I see very few people writing about.

Ah, I could write a million things about this. THANKS for writing this post. Looking forward to more comments and thoughts on it.

I read recently that Sherman Alexie refuses to let his books made into e-books because kids on the rez could never afford a Kindle or a Sony Reader. If true, it's an interesting stand for him to take.

colleen, when you stated in your email to the panel of authors that, "there is no typical "pat" reason for this poverty - there are no obvious drug problems, or parent in prison, or unplanned pregnancy, or bad neighborhoods, etc. etc. None of the things that usually show up in books to explain why a character is poor. In this case, Autumn comes from poor people and poverty is simply what they know. They are stuck and that makes her plan to move out and try for a different future so incredibly sad. She doesn't seem to know how to be or do anything other than being poor and clearly without monumental help (and it might be too late for her), the future is rather bleak.." it made focus on the reasons for their being poor and why i responded the way i did.

I've been working intensely with these questions for the past year or so in a book that's not quite finished, so I'm not really able to enter the conversation at this point, but I want to thank everyone for it. It makes me feel like I live in a mixed and interesting neighborhood, speaking (mostly) metaphorically, about this community of readers and writers. And thanks, Kekla, for pointing me in this direction.

Colleen

It's a great response, Mayra - and I think it fit into the other things that folks said here very well. And clearly it has made a lot of commenters think about poverty and why some folks are poor for generations based on their thoughts here.

Thanks for getting out of my notes what you did!

Happy to have you here, Helen - and good luck with the book!

Not all but many urban children have the same mindset that Mayra describes. We think everyone wants better and would try but do we seriously consider what it means when poverty is normal and all you know? And seeing an alternate life on TV is fantasy. It has nothing to do with your world. On a deep, emotional and mental level, poverty is your life and you don't see yourself moving beyond it.Anyone read Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Enenreich? It's very telling. Have some issues with the book, but overall, she reveals truths many didn't know or never thought about.

To J.L., I happen to live in a community that is mixed. Thank the current crisis in part for the shift in demographics. In my live in a middle/upper class area. It's a small, old suburb. In the 90s many pink collar workers and lower white collar workers began moving into the area with the boom of the 90s. I moved here then. After 9/11, some businesses began to fail and fewer workers moved to the area. Before the drop off there was a steady swell of Indian immigrants moving into tech jobs for many companies in the larger, adjacent suburb. My complex is roughly 70% Indian. The current influx of residents are families(more blks and whites are returning) who have lost their homes moving to apartments, section 8 candidates and service industry employees who make just enough to make the rent (nurse aides, maids, retail). The apartment industry is hurting, too, as families move home, so there is a reduction in rent so those who wouldn't have looked here before are now moving in. So my neighbors range from the degree, entry-level worker to the woman who works at the nursing home up the street to the affluent, white collar workers who a stone throw away in the older, single-home residences.

Susan, I've lived in similar neighborhoods (for example, I lived in downtown Albany, New York one year) but I would still argue that those neighborhoods are rare. The boundaries between social classes are fairly intransigent. You're more likely to find fewer boundaries in major urban areas, though, like the one you're describing.

I spend a lot of time in South Africa, however, and there the gated communities and houses surrounded by high-voltage electric fences and armed guards make the divisions between social classes abundantly obvious in comparison to here.

Genevieve

Betty Smith's four novels all had characters growing up in unromanticized poverty. A Tree Grows In Brooklyn is the most famous, but Maggie-Now, Joy In the Morning, and Morning is a Long Time Coming (I think that's the fourth one) all speak to these issues in fairly great detail.

One of the characters (I think it's Maggie in Maggie-Now) even complains about the March girls in Little Women not really being poor, when they could waste potatoes to put in a muff to heat it up. There's a constant thread in all the books about how the families will make their food last until they can get more money through another job, and then the better food and other things they can get when a better job comes through. The main characters tend to escape through reading, and learn of a wider world through reading.

Genevieve

Oops, not Morning Is a Long Time Coming - that's Bette Greene. I meant Tomorrow Will Be Better (my least favorite of the four Betty Smith books, but parts of it are still indelibly woven into my brain - though obviously not the title).

The All-of-a-Kind Family books by Sydney Taylor feature a working poor family (Papa has a junk business and there are six children), but in a more matter-of-fact way. There's never a problem getting enough to eat, but there's the occasional mention of what they can't afford (Charlotte burns a hole in her dress and Mama tells her she'll have to wear it with a patch for the rest of the school year because they can't afford a new one). The family does bring some food to a boy and his ill mother who are in dire straits, but it's not a regular thing like the March girls, it's simply that they find out about their situation and bring some food and then get the settlement house involved.

Genevieve - I Love Betty Smith! "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" is one of my all time favorites! And yes also to Sidney Taylor who was all kinds of awesome. It's interesting how common these types of books used to be (to a certain extent) compared to today, isn't it? It used to be how most of us lived and now it is more something that we seem to want to ignore.

Sigh.

I just wanted to make sure to bring up Pamela Ehrenberg's books: Ethan, Suspended and Tillmon County Fire. Both are fairly recent books that include questions of class, race, and people's assumptions about each other. This is particularly in Ethan, Suspended where middle-class Ethan goes to live with his granparents in DC in what used to be a Jewish neighborhood but is not a poor Black/Hispanic neighborhood. Ethan doesn't know the ropes of this culture and it gets him in trouble, a predicament not often seen in kidlit.

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